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  1. bb4635

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    Front hood affixed aerial ? whaoo !
    Not sure if I've ever seen one on a Miura.
    Any picture to illustrate this non-factory aftermarket feature ? Very curious to see a radio aerial on a Miura front bonnet.
    An aerial on the roof or on the rear bonnet of a Miura, yes, for sure, but affixed on a Miura front bonnet, I've personally never seen it.
    But why not. I'm used to accept that we must be ready to learn every day something new about these cars. Even if here, I'm a bit sceptical....but curious, yes.
     
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  3. joe sackey

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    Haha, check out the images you posted yourself, the front hood aerial is visible https://lamborghinichat.com/forum/posts/146417382/ perhaps the owner was proud of it, alas it has been removed and probably thrown away in recent times.
     
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    #19428 bb4635, Nov 24, 2020
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    OK for Miura #3282, for sure, pictures I've posted, but do you know another Miura equipped with an aerial affixed on its front hood ? when you speak of 'popular aftermarket application' ?
     
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    As I said: "the steering wheel cover is a non-factory aftermarket item popular in the USA in the 70's..."
     
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    OK Joe about the steering wheel cover (generally) being a non-factory aftermarket item (even if I'm interested to have your point of view - factory or not ? - about this feature noted on #3216) , but my question was about the front hood affixed aerial, as an 'other aftermarket application'' you mentioned.

    So, once again my question (hoping this time to be clear enough) : any idea of other Miura such equipped with a front hood aerial (except #3282 that I've already posted) ?
     
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    Aerial
    No, I have never seen front hood aerial on another Miura. other than 3282, it's a non-factory aftermarket item.

    Steering wheel cover
    The steering wheel cover on 3282, is, again, a non-factory aftermarket item.

    The steering wheel cover on 3216 as shown below is a factory application, using the same grey vinyl material as used on the dashboard and center console.

    Upon close examination, I found it's application to be in the form of a wrap glued to the wood wheel's rim, with the grey vinyl's seam at the bottom downward-facing steering wheel spoke, finished with a loose x-stitch of a contrasting light-colored tread. I could see that after all the years the seam was starting to pull away.

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    The factory did apply steering wheel rim cover wraps to a number of cars, an earlier car with the same thing was 0979 as driven by Karl Ludvigsen, same application, same seam at the bottom of the steering wheel, and the same x-stitch, although this time with a dark thread.

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    Early style leather wrapped steering wheel thickness (circumference) is 75mm (about 3 inches), like the one on 3216.
     
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    So please tell us what it has to say!
     
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    Which 3072 as she had 2? Production #43 or #272?
     
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    Don't know, however there is a great interview with her relating how the famed conductor and fellow car enthusiast Herbert Von Krajan test drove one of her sports cars (she loved cars, besides her Rolls Royces, she had Jaguars, Ferraris and the Lamborghinis), I bet it was the Miura but she doesn't clarify this.
     
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    5090 is one of only three incontrovertible SVJs built new at the factory using SV chassis and numbers and existing today in original form. All others have varying claims to be SVJs converted by Lamborghini in the early 1970s and this is one. Massive difference in price.
     
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    So much conjecture with SVJs, it's time for any and claims to be supported by the accepted reasonable standard of proof, which is the provision of period factory documentation in support of any claims that some were purpose built as opposed to the widely received wisdom that they all arrived from Bertone as SVs, then were converted. Otherwise, the claims are just that, claims.

    Depending on who you speak to, or who is selling what SVJ, there are 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 or more so-called genuine factory SVJs.

    Another consideration is that the Lamborghini production register appears to mention just three cars as Jota (Yota), 4860, 5090 and 5100, although the latter car may be a reference to 4956 which appears to have dual identity.

    All this conjecture is why there needs to be provision of period factory documentary proof in support of any claims that elevate any cars above the others.

    There's been a number of thoughtful posts on SVJs lately.

    It's suggested by various sources that 4934, 4990, 5090, 4860, 5113, 4956, 5084, 4892 and more besides are SVJs, and to keep this in perspective, if any one of us owned any one of these cars, we'd be strongly insisting it was the real deal.

    From what I gather from my discerning collector clients worldwide, what matters most is that the SVJ was actually built at Sant Agata during Miura SV production sometime before the final SVs were delivered in 1973.

    The only factory SVJ that happens to be materially different in terms of usable sporting specification is Hahne's own 4860 with 110 liter long-distance fuel tank and tuned engine, so that's the standout SVJ for me.

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    Interesting letters/info on #4892 in this post here.
     
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    4860 has been Lamborghini Polo Storico Certified as one of FOUR SVJs Factory modified during Miura production. All 4 of these cars were modified into SVJs from SVs by the Factory's Reparto Assistenza Clienti.

    SV 4860 was sold new to Dr Alfredo Belponer through his dealership Interauto in April 1971, but it was never used or registered by him as he liked to keep his cars "as new" for purposes of resale value. Hubert Hahne wanted a new "Jota" but there were no new SVs available to modify, as they were already allocated to clients, so Ubaldo Sgarzi and Ferruccio Lamborghini found the solution in taking back Dr Belponer's unused/unregistered SV 4860 to modify it into an SVJ, and to Hubert Hahne's specific requirements as a "Jota". Work commenced at the Factory's Reparto Assistenza Clienti at the beginning of November, 1972. The completed SVJ with "Jota" script on the rear was delivered to Hubert Hahne on the 30th April, 1973 with a factory guarantee as a new car. The factory Miura register with production number 623, in amongst entries of other cars in order of ascending production numbers for delivery dates in April 1971 has been amended, with Interauto Belponer, the original supplying dealer and recipient of this subsequently unused and unregistered SV, crossed out with a line through it, dealer Hahne written in, the word "yota" added and the delivery date reset as 30.4.73, as it was effectively a new/unused car as the Factory modified SVJ when supplied to Hahne.

    So far, and please correct me if I'm wrong, 4990 and 4860 are the only SVJs to have been Polo Storico Certified. To clarify, if SVJs 5090 and 4934 were Polo Storico Certified today, they would each be certified as one of FOUR Miura SVJs so modified at the factory within the Miura production period.
     
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    Your points reflect what I also understand to be the case.

    As with most people, I remain open-minded about newly-received wisdom with the SVJs because I have seen little by way of period documentation that actually clarifies or confirms definitively what actually happened at the point of production.

    Steve Wakefield's statement that "5090 is one of only three incontrovertible SVJs built new at the factory using SV chassis and numbers and existing today in original form" is contrary to what the factory itself claims, and is different from what a number of longtime historians, specialists, owners & enthusiasts believe.

    Incontrovertible
    means indisputable or irrefutable, which makes the suggestion that there are only 3 genuine SVJs a bold claim, one which in all fairness should be substantiated with documentary proof, if it is to have any merit.
     
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    #19448 miurasv, Dec 10, 2020
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    Supercars of Monaco video featuring Iain Tyrell on How to Buy a Lamborghini Miura.

    The SV is chassis number 4974 production number 683, so body numbers should be 783. Car has a dry sump fitted by ex Lamborghini Factory Engineer, Claudio Zampolli. Also has 10" rear wheels and a space saver spare wheel. Engine non matching, which should be split sump. I wonder if the Zampolli mods are going to be removed and the car restored to original?

     
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    Great article and information about "The Ultimate Miura" with fabulous pictures!
     
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