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Miura, the original supercar

Discussion in 'Lamborghini Supercars' started by joe sackey, Dec 5, 2006.

  1. joe sackey

    joe sackey Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Agreed, the booster is unnecessary IMO as the Miura's well-balanced controls are evenly-weighted and just right for a classic car, the proviso of course being that they are in proper operating condition to begin with.

    Apparently 4878 deserves a proper restoration, so one wonders, will it be restored back to true Oro Metallizzato 2-443-239 with Nero leather interior, single sump engine, and deletion of all contemporary modifications, so it is returned to as it was when invoiced on April the 28th 1971 as seen below by the factory?

    Some might say that that would be the right way to restore it, bearing in mind that single-sump SVs are almost twice as rare as split-sump SVs and IMO having owned versions of both, unless you use the car extensively on the track, the split sump makes no difference.

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  2. miurasv

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    #19402 miurasv, Nov 20, 2020
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    I think SK has said recently on IG that if he'd won the auction he'd have returned 4878 to original specification regarding the interior colour and more recent mods. We'll have to see what happens regarding his instructions from the new owner.

    There seems to be quite a few clues that 4878 may well have been split and dry sumped by the Reparto Assistenza Clienti within the Lamborghini factory at Saint Agata in period. It would be wrong to return it to single and wet sump if the conversion was done there, imho, as it would be akin to converting one of the genuine SVJs converted there from SV, as I believe they mostly were, back to SV, or converting SVJ 4860's engine to standard 385 BHP tune and single sump back from the RAC's 430 BHP tuning and split sump conversion.

    Although the single sump SV is rarer, I do not believe that to be a plus, as the split sump will potentially have benefits for longevity, even for a road car never used on the track. Enquiries should be made with Polo Storico by or on behalf of the new owner to properly research this matter to see if a definitive answer can be found.
     
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  3. joe sackey

    joe sackey Three Time F1 World Champ

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    You are correct, perhaps I can be forgiven for my tongue-in-cheek post, after all, in the end there really is no proper way to do anything, it's only the way that makes the owner happy that matters.
     
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    I am really amaze with your drive. Keep on moving
     
  5. simpen

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    The story of a Miura being driven 1400 km after delivery made me think of a personal encounter with a Miura more than 10 years ago. The discussion of the alternator belt kind of missed the point. {Tongue goes to cheek} I am sure prospective buyers will now read this thread and know which brokers to turn to when they want a 50 year-old car delivered with a 110%-guarantee of not breaking down, with belts made from indestructible NASA-grade material & every nut and bolt kissed by Vale before tightened. {Tongue goes back to where it belongs}.

    Being a teenager and already car-crazy, I found out that a local classic car rally was going to have lunch not too far from where I lived. The entry list was not that exciting (Austin Healeys, Sprites, the odd DB4GT and 250 GTE), so my father was slightly reluctant to drive all the way to the restaurant. A few kilometers before the stop however, while waiting at a red light, I saw a red P400 Miura turning up! The sight of it sitting in modern day traffic was unbelievable & seeing and hearing it on the move was fantastic. Turns out it was heading the same direction and sure enough, when scanning the parking lot of the rally stop, just above the bushes I spotted the roof of the Lamborghini. Needless to say, I spent all the time checking out the Miura and paid very little attention to the rally cars :)

    Point being, driving your Miura is not only a joy for the driver, but for other enthusiast too! To encounter a car like that in the wild & on the move is priceless.
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  6. vfinaldi

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    These are great photos. What year was it? Any idea the chassis number?
     
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    A cool memory to have and great photos of the occasion, simpen, thanks for sharing. It appears to be 3282 in Belgium.
     
  8. joe sackey

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    You forgot the final stage of preventive maintenance before a Miura sets off on a 1,400 kms journey: the local priest must be summoned to sprinkle the engine with Holy Water, which provides a guarantee against anything breaking.

    I provide this service also ;)

    Carry on gentlemen.
     
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  9. mt_jt

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    P400 with later cockpit grab handle, later type side skirt intakes, gold wheels and sills.
    I’ve been wondering if any of the earlier cars left the factory with the gold wheels and sills. I’m guessing the red P400 above has been restored and the gold paint is not the original colour?
     
  10. miurasv

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    #19410 miurasv, Nov 21, 2020
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    P400 3282 is pictured on miura-svj.com with the original type P400 grab handle, silver wheels/rocker panels and 3 eared knock off wheel spinners.

    I believe only the SVs originally had gold wheels and sills. That was the case, at least in the UK, according to Del Hopkins who worked for Roger Phillips, the UK Lamborghini concessionaire at the time the Miura was in production, and later for Portman and Lamborghini UK.
     
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  11. joe sackey

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    Generally speaking, yes you are correct.

    However I wouldn't use the word only when describing production specification for Miuras.
     
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  13. stevewakefield

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    Looks like 3282 but if so early car (97) with ‘thin’ chassis so odd having big S type grab handle. Borrani wheel nuts with no ears not original, maybe was in Germany for a time.
     
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    It's indeed #3282, still in Belgium under the same registration.
     
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  15. Olivier NAMECHE

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    #3282 belonging for 16 years to my very old friend Serge ( we were at same University)., and early member of my Club LCB.

    He bought it at Barcelona from Auto Storica

    He had the full mechanic field restored by Top Motors, interior is genuine even the carpet.

    He is not driving it too much, as the collection holds +/- 25 cars and few other jewels.

    I still try to convince him to respray it correctly... may be one day.



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  16. joe sackey

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    Those are actually Borrani center-bolts, original spec for USA and German cars.

    Although I do like the classic 3-eared spinners, I do also like the Borrani center-bolts as their central application not only looks particularly sporting, but they allow the design of the famed Miura wheel to be enjoyed better, IMVHO of course.

    Here's the USA SV 4884 which we owned & restored, with a slightly different version of same.

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  17. alberto

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    If it is 3282, it's one of the first 100. Interesting car. As pictured, early steering wheel, later grab handle, looks like OEM color gold wheels, gold rockers, nuts instead of knock offs, license plate lights changed, US spec tail lights, original round tail pipes, black headlight bezel surround and also 14 eyelash uppers, chrome door thumb latch. Wish it could talk and tell its story.
     
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  18. Olivier NAMECHE

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    Plenty Miura have something to tell us about.... like this SV #4936...



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  19. bb4635

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    Here are some pictures I have of #3282 - not mine, but picked-up over the web - claimed as being shots from the 70's.
    It appears as being a standard Miura P400, partially adapted for the US market at one point of its life : equipped with clear HL lenses and full red tail light lenses. But, as a P400, it had at this time its correct small passenger grab handle, eared knock-offs, and silver painted wheels, etc..
    Not sure that the black leather (vinyl?) material is the correct one for the seats at this P400 production-period, when new ?


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  20. Lemacc

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    Steering wheel looks too thick. Maybe it was delivered with wood steering wheel and the owner decided to switch to leather and have stretched and glued leather over the wood.
     
  21. stevewakefield

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    I bow to BB's greater knowledge but looks original wheel with the leather cover as seen in Ludvigsen's test drive of an early car. The leather cover has likely suffered a bit over the years. Swapped grab handle a mystery.

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  22. Lemacc

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    Still its thicker than on your posted photo. Just compare the curve of the stainless steel near the leather...clearly visible/not visible.
     
  23. Olivier NAMECHE

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    I agree with you Leo, it is too thick and it is not the 1st wood steering that I see recovered by leather...

    Here is how #3282 steering looks like now


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    When the P400's had the steering wheels covered by the factory, it was not in leather. It was the same leatherette (vinyl) used for the interior.
     
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  25. joe sackey

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    This car spent years of it's early life in the USA, the steering wheel cover is a non-factory aftermarket item popular in the USA in the 70's for application on wood-steering wheel cars, other aftermarket applications include the glove-box-mounted stereo and front hood affixed aerial.
     
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