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Discussion in 'Other' started by topcarbon, Mar 8, 2017.

  1. WILLIAM H

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    I need a 4 door Supercar to carry more Bubbles in. Too bad Espadas are crazy $ to restore & I hear the LM002 Is like a bad Countach.

    Maybe a Bentley :)
     
  2. hashiriya

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    LM002 is not a bad Countach, lol. It's even more reliable than 6.75 Bentleys of 2000s!
    LM002 is just ridiculous by itself and thus fun. More like a huge Fiat 124 or an old Alfa, same fun when you drive it hard.
    It's not a supercar, it's a very sketchy car. However, I do think it's very reliable, I've seen a car with 72,000 kms on the odo with pretty much zero problems. Changing brake discs might be costy, but it's livable. I just think LM002 should have a bright color.

    Espadas look very odd, they are not pretty, but very charming! Again it's more of a man's accessory than a perfect car, it can bring some fun in routine driving too!
     
  3. joe sackey

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    Great example Emilio.

    If you've experienced F40 performance on the road, jumping into a 246 will be a bit disappointing from a performance viewpoint.
     
  4. M. Brandon Motorcars

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    My vote is for the Urraco. I've owned and experienced a Urraco and Diablos (but have yet to drive an Espada), and while there is no comparison from a performance perspective, the Urraco is just such a cool car and makes an incredible noise.

    Then again, I love the 308 GT4, so I'm pretty biased towards 70s wedge designs. :)
     
  5. em42

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    I can totally understand that! Of course it cannot compare in terms of pure performance. But it is the whole package that is interesting: nimble, quick, rev-happy little engine, design. And you don't put yourself (or your license!) in danger if you enjoy it on the open road, while still having a lot of pleasure.
     
  6. kmeighannj

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    Ok, so I have been fortunate enough over the years to own a number of these cars -- 4 Countach's -- an Lp400, 2 Anniversaries, and an 88 1/2 DD, Diablo VT, Diablo SV, Miura S, Espada Series 1, Espada Series 3, and a Urraco (which Peter owns now). I no longer own a Lambo, but like you, do miss them.

    Very different cars that you are considering. The Diablo is going to feel a bit like a refined, better quality build Countach, which, in my opinion, it is. The Urraco, I think, is going to feel pretty underpowered -- totally different feel and mission from the Countach, but a very cool car. As Peter said, awesome-looking steering wheel. I actually think the one I miss the most from an all around driving and owning experience is the Espada. Very unusual styling. Gets a lot of attention, but most people do not know what it is. Good utility with the back seats and the hatch. The engine is a absolute thing of beauty to look at. My Series 1 was an original car and my Series 3 had been totally restored by the previous owner (at a cost of $150k when $60k was all the money for an Espada). As always with a vintage Lambo, , if you want to drive the car, I would strongly recommend a well-maintained car that has been regularly exercised or a restored car over an underused car. They are as expensive as Miura's to fix, but obviously nowhere near that value. Lots to think about. Good luck on the search.

    Hmmm...an Espada...

    Kirk
     
  7. mrp_e

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    I don't have a ton of seat team like you or others in all these options, but I once owned a Jarama and have a '91 Diablo. Jarama vintage v-12 roar and hand-crafted old school interior feel was really wonderful, I feel lucky to have had her. But without a doubt, the looks, sounds and experience of driving the Diablo leave zero regrets. I drove mine NYC to LA and back, flawlessly. The Espada is one I've also lusted for, so can understand the desire.

    But to me, hands down,... DIABLO. And when it comes to value for car, and compared to others of its super car era (F40, et al), it remains a ridiculous bargain I believe.
     
  8. Andrew R.

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    Did the Urraco on BAT sell?

    The character is very different between those models... all depends on what you are up for.
     
  9. topcarbon

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    No 53k high bid
     
  10. cnpapa24

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    On which did you decide?
     
  11. topcarbon

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    for the moment
    save my money to buy the Countach.
    Its my holding pattern until something interesting comes along.
    I think I am going to wait and see what happens with the Couch market and what cars come available.
     
  12. EMILIO

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    i do not believe nice countach are goind down anytime soon

    with this in mind, i would try to secure the nicest early diablo you can find. best value for money of all 3 models to me
     
  13. LC3929

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    Kirk, which LP400 did you own (VIN, colours)?

    Christian
     
  14. joe sackey

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  15. LC3929

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    Ah, this one. Thank you for the information.
     
  16. kmeighannj

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    Thanks, Joe. And I should have bought it back when I had the opportunity to do so 6 months after I sold it! This was back when they were circa $400k cars! Ah, it wasn't the first one that I sold too early, but no matter, it was fun when I had it...

    Kirk
     
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  18. topcarbon

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    It looks better each time I look at it.

    It is a real Lamborghini and a twelve :).

    I would guess with this car, it is either yes or no with the style - thumbs up or down.

    Performance ? 91-93 Diablo.
     
  20. staatsof

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    For me it's too bland looking, especially from the rear and sides where it looks like a Japanese hatch back from the era. Those unique headlamps also look like another Japanese car. I like those! But hey to each his own, plenty of people look at an Espada in disgust ...

    I like one version of the interior as long as it's not that corduroy.
     
  21. topcarbon

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    I think it looks like a ford pinto
     
  22. Peter K.

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    Cool car that Pinto. When you see it as rarely as we do in the northeast, they actually look kind a cool....especially around late model behemoths.


    Jarama...put the styling aside, fantastic car. Very comfortable ride.

    Think: front engine, V-12, short wheelbase, 5spd. Something like a muscle car with better sound and better handling but you're not sliding across the seat around corners :)
     
  23. Peter K.

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  24. bmwracer

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    I should have never sold it lol . So you were the lucky buyer at the time, i am sure you enjoyed it a lot, i spend a ton of $$ to make it right.
     
  25. PineChris

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    Countach or Diablo.... The rest, other than maybe a nice Jalpa or Silhouette are a waste of time.
     

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